As the press march continues for Everyday is an Atheist Holiday, Dan Steinberg of the Wall Street Journal discusses his biggest question for author Penn Jillette. As a man who’s made his living debunking things, how is he comfortable in his role as a serial reality show contestant when they are so far from actual reality?

The answer is quite simply, because they are what people watch and he would like for people to continue to enjoy his work. But Steinberg does a far better job of explaining the argument in the clip above.