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Now here is an interesting situation involving two much maligned magic industry figures.

According to Norm Clarke, Val Valentino and his friend Ron Jones were escorted to the entrance of the Luxor when they were spotted by Criss Angel at a party being hosted by the Mindfreak star.

“He looked at me,” Valentino said, “and yelled, ‘Get that piece of (expletive) out of here.’ It was bizarre, so unprofessional. I was so disappointed in him.”

Barely mentioned in the Clarke column is that Valentino is better known (or unknown) as the Masked Magician, a controversial figure in our industry to be sure. Completely unmentioned is that Valentino more recently presided over an entire episode of the newest incarnation of his franchise (2008′s Magic’s Biggest Secrets Finally Revealed) where Angel’s biggest illusions were spoiled, albeit for a middling audience and with negligible cultural resonance compared to his popular, if boring, specials from over a decade ago.

So there we have it, Criss vs. Val. Who ya got?

  • Jimmy Fingers

    Whoa, wait… Ron Jones of Ron Jones and Flame??? You can't kick Ron Jones out of an establishment… again!!! He's one of my favs!

  • Mario

    Gotta take Criss on this one.

  • FriendinFlorida

    Bravo Criss!

    I thought reporters were supposed to give the whole story…Oh wait this is Norm we are talking about…pfftt…

  • Josh

    HAHAHAHA Criss kicked his ass! Love it! Well Done!

  • DrewDickelman

    I'm definitely with Criss on this one.

  • Banester

    Awesome! Go Criss!

  • http://www.facebook.com/crowgarrettmagic Crow Garrett

    “Jones said that Angel became upset when he saw that Valentino was getting more recognition from party goers and that's why he was kicked out. He added, “I think Angel was intimidated by Val's popularity when people started asking for his autograph. Val was not there to take away the limelight.”

    People actually recognize Valentino with out the mask on? I find that really hard to believe…

  • http://iTricks.com/news JustinRYoung

    Me too!

  • HAL

    Justin, you great, wonderful moderator. This has to be your best article yet. Do I have to say who's side I'm on? Hate me all you wan't Criss lovers, but “GO VAL”. If only I could afford a mask and get a TV show. Most of the tricks the MM exposed of Angels, you should have figured out yourself. I wonder if Criss had any right to throw somebody out just because he doesn't like them. Actually, the MM did Criss' tricks better than Criss, without the crying Mother. When is the next MM special on?

  • HAL

    Just had a great idea. Let's get a whole audience to go to the next beLIEve show wearing MM masks, and scream “MINDFAKE”. See if he throws EVERYBODY out???? Needless to say, this really makes my day.

  • http://iTricks.com/news JustinRYoung

    A shocking contrarian opinion…

  • jaimie

    trying to ride Criss' coat tales cause he has NO career or talent! He obviously went there for pr – would u rob someones house and expect to be welcomed at their house party?

  • DVCPRO

    Although I like to learn how illusions and mentalism are performed, I don't think that television shows revealing all of the secrets behind magic is ethical. It is spoiling the enjoyment for the general public to attend magic performances or to watch it performed on TV. I am guilty of watching the MM ytb videos simply so that I can learn, but I do not think network television is the place for exposure. I'm surprised that he would feel welcome at a party thrown by Mindfreak. Wasn't signing a contract to create a show to expose magic methods on television sealing his fate to be rejected in the company of most magicians?

  • HAL

    Justin: If you REALLY want to be fair, do a podcast with Valentino. I'm a nobody, but he's a Magician. You know, they give politicians equal time.

  • babyhouseman

    No idea whose side you're on.

  • http://iTricks.com/news JustinRYoung

    Television networks given a public charter give politicians equal time. We

    are none of those things.

    That being said, if Valentino wanted to do an interview, I'd be happy to.

  • Mckinnoncatie

    I side with Criss this time. Valentino did tell the secrets to most of Criss's best tricks.

  • DVCPRO

    Score is 11 – 1 so far…but who's counting? :)

  • FriendinFlorida

    We already heard Val's version of the night in question thru Norm. I would really like to hear Criss' recount of what happened. But I know that wont happen.

  • HAL

    In defense of the MM. At the beginning of every show they say, if you don't want to know the secrets, don't watch. So you watch, and then complain. This is like a free magic course on TV. Angel should be the last to complain, because he knows magicians can't do the ridiculous tricks he does on Mindfake, most wont even resort to being the fraud that he is. This is just more publicity for Angel, makes him look like the good guy. This rotten scumball hurting this honest hard working 'world's greatest' magician.

  • hal

    Now I'm hurt…Choosing Valentino over me.

  • HAL

    Criss doesn't have any 'BEST” tricks. They're pretty much all the same.

  • http://www.facebook.com/crowgarrettmagic Crow Garrett

    Here is Criss' recount of what happened. Criss see's Valentino and thinks about all the shows he did revealing the art of magic and says get him out of this party hes not welcome. And due to the fact that it is Angels party and Angel was the host of the party, Angel has full right to say who can stay and who cant… Now dont quote me on all of that. But I'm willing to say that was what he thought when it happened. I just got it confirmed that Valentino is not welcome in any way around the Magic Castle by a member of the Board of Trusties. So it is not surprising that he would not be welcome around other magicians.

  • HAL

    Valentino should get a front row seat to a beLIEve show. If he's a paying customer, what can Criss do? Maybe Criss needs a restraining order? Better yet, Put Callihan, Valentino, Copperfield, Holly Madison and Perez Hilton in the front row.

  • Mckinnoncatie

    Well they may all be the same but he did give away the secrets to them.

  • FriendinFlorida

    Thanks for the reply Crow. The Magic Castle reference tells volumns. As a side thought, Criss' afterparty was well publicized. I have seen pics and first hand accounts what a crazy MF gathering it is. I cant see the MM taking anything away from that as implied.

    Whether it is Norm, Abowitz and now MM..all I hear is whinny cry babies. “oh I was just here all innocent when the big bad Criss hurt me”. I call bullshit.

  • FriendinFlorida

    p.s. I know I heard it somewhere and I found it. The music for grand cranyon CA demo. Celldweller – Frozen. hell yeah…..yup Im a music/magic nut…so sue me..lmao..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3INX5cJ4bw

  • Leasa

    “It's my party and I'll cry if I want to.”

    MM is ruining magic. He certainly does not respect and recognize the rights of creators. Same goes for all the Youtube “reveal” videos. Everyone now thinks they are better than professional magicians simply because they have watched a few of these reveals. What happened to the code of ethics? How is the art of magic supposed to flourish? I nominate Val for the DIC award.

  • HAL

    I think we should declare another National Holiday..”Valentino's Day”. Maybe Criss' birthday? Radio stations could all play Willie Nelson's “Fallen Angel”. Don McClain could do “The Day the Magic Died”.

  • FriendinFlorida

    Now ur talkin Leasa! DIC…DIC….DIC…..I second and third that.

  • Lucianasantulli

    me doy cuenta de que criss angel, es todo un caballero y tiene excelentes modales.

    otro, en su lugar, lo hubiera echado a golpes al traidor val.

  • Joe Monti

    I would have biker stomped Val out of the party. It makes for better headlines. No one should be exposing magic period. I'd like to know who the current Masked Scumbag is and invite him to a party just to toss him out.
    Y
    There's a big difference between teaching and exposing. I agree there's too many kids exposing magic on Youtube by merely performing it bad.

    Isn't there a way to report all exposing of magic on YouTube as spam and/or offensive just to scare off the idiots like LAH? Sorry I'm a bit dyslexic tonight.
    I know it's a temporary fix but doing nothing is worse.

  • Mckinnoncatie

    I agree DIC DIC DIC!!!!!!

  • DVCPRO

    LAH said (hehe): “In defense of the MM. At the beginning of every show they say, if you don’t want to know the secrets, don’t watch. So you watch, and then complain. This is like a free magic course on TV.”

    I still don’t feel that exposing magic on television is good for anyone. Not good for magicians careers and not good for the spectator because after seeing a show like that it spoils all the fun of attending or watching a magic performance.
    I think that MM traded a lot of peoples jobs for his own pocket book. That is the only people who benefited from that show. Him and the whomever produced the show. For him to make a buck, he injured the careers of everyday working magicians. Sure, the big ones have the bucks and time to create and create more, but it’s the little and medium guys that were really hurt by that show.

  • http://www.tpdmagic.com Todd Diamond

    Joe,
    can you do me a favor and contact my privately through my website at http://www.tpdmagic.com , I need to discuss something with you but not on a public board. You can actually call me from there as well if you would rather talk in person.

    I wish people would stop bashing one of our own and understand he did what most magicians( people that love the art) would have done. Heck James Dimmare threatened on the magic cafe to break Vals legs. LOL

  • HAL

    Well, since Mr. Monti found it necessary to address LAH, I should be able to reply to EOJ. Exposing Criss Angel is not giving away ‘MAGIC”. I’m sure YOU of all people know exactly how he does his amazing tricks. He’s not fooling anybody with any technical knowledge. People like you, and all his other paid people who promote this farce, only help to destroy the art of magic to make a few bucks. Valentino is no worse than you, at least he ADMITS to what he’s doing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/crowgarrettmagic Crow Garrett

    LAH? League of Annoying Human's?

  • Leasa

    On Youtube there is the option to “flag as inappropriate,” but I'm not sure if all it takes is one request to remove a video. In any case, we would require a small army to flag everthing, as this poor magic has reached pandemic proportions.

  • Alryan700

    Don't get me wrong, I adore Criss, but that WAS JUST PLAIN RUDE.

  • HAL

    Performing it BAD???? How much BADDER can you get than the 'Implosion' fiasco? You can't be serious.

  • Germán Arciniegas

    I think MM were at Criss's party to get some atention, and he succeed. He know he's not welcome in any magic club.

    Also, a big “WTF” for his words: ¿”very unprofessional”? ¿Valentino is dissapointed of Criss Angel?
    All magicians in the world are dissapointed of Valentino because of what he`s doing. How professional is someone that is revealing the secrets of magic for money?

  • HAL

    I think you would have a real hard time removing them from youtube. Freedom of speech applies to magic just like everything else. Magicians have their own code, but it doesn't apply to everyone else. A guy has a website called 'stopsylviabrowne'. She tried to have it removed, but failed. There's also the fact that Valentino exposed tricks of many magicians, Copperfield and many more. The only ones I see crying about it here is Criss Angel employees and fans. You know, “If you can't take the heat, etc.”

    Another interesting point (IMO) is, Valentino says he only exposed old worn out tricks. It stands to reason, Valentino still performs magic. Therefore, it would stupid for him to perform the same tricks he himself exposes, meaning he too would have to present a newer act. I really would like to see Valentino show up at a Copperfield show, I don't think he'd say 'Get this piece of —- out of here, he'd probably introduce him to the crowd.

  • HAL

    I thought I told you never to call me here. LOL

  • DVCPRO

    German, how do you (looks at her keyboard for 10 minutes perplexed…) make an upside down question mark?…you MUST be magic:)…(taps fingers on table, looks at keyboard again)

  • babyhouseman

    Hahaha….That made me laugh out loud.

  • HAL

    I think we should also consider: This is just more publicity for Criss. Now that Mindfake is over till (O'h NO) Season 7, Criss has to dream up more nonsense to keep attention going for beLIEve. Remember, it was the phony arrest, the Perez Hilton thing, dating all the bimbos, the Mickey Mouse tricks on Leno, Oprah, Father had cancer, Mother has heart problems, Costa has an ingrown toenail…It never ends. He can't rely on his lame magic, so he uses what he can. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a phony 'Criss is dead' hoax. He's the 'Soap Opera' magician.

  • http://www.tpdmagic.com Todd Diamond

    Where did you get the impression Val still performs his own magic? He performs as the masked magician everywhere he goes! Personally a magician never will expose, and the way Val did it was a stab in the back to many of us, much like your behavior here!

  • http://www.facebook.com/crowgarrettmagic Crow Garrett

    Great names in history that have become Conspiracy theory's… John F. Kennedy, Princess Diana, Kurt Cobain, Tupac Shakur, Michael Jackson, And now due to the stupidity of Ignorant people Criss Angel has been added to the list. (funny I thought you had to be dead to get conspiracy theory started about you.) Hey! I got an idea. Ill call up Jesse “The Body” Ventura and we can see if he will do a show on Criss Angel. Its such an important topic that so many people really care about I'm positive that he would do a whole episode on Criss Angel… Did that sound as stupid as I intended it to sound? Please tell me it was!

    OK back to the topic at hand. In my personal opinion I believe that the Masked Magician was the best thing to ever happen to magic during the specials that Valentino created (it opened the eyes to the public in a huge way about magic during that time allowing a huge interest in magic to be born from it). Once it became a weekly episodic TV show it just showed how desperate Valentino was for work. At that point it wasn't taking old out of date effects and exposing them with the interest of stimulating the minds of magicians to update to new effects. It was just trying to expose what ever it could to get ratings. Luckily it didn't get the ratings it needed cuss as far as I know the show has been canceled. (Odd more people are interested in seeing Criss Angel on TV then they are watching a dude in a mask show you how the effects are done)

    Now here is a theory to why Valentino needed to do the show. After he did the specials in the 90's. He had a hard time getting work as him self. So he created a touring stage show that went around the world. The gimmick of the show is that he would perform half the show as the Masked Magician revealing the effects hes doing then he would perform as him self. Yea… That show was a big hit… (Notice the sarcastic tone in my writing.) It was a flop. Ironically it sounded familiar to when he was asked in the 90's to do the specials in the first place “Val had to be asked twice to be the Masked Magician. According to him, when FOX/ Nash Entertainment originally asked, he was more careful about the preservation of his career and said no.” (taken from Valentino's IMDB profile) So what made him say yes? Food for thought…

    So notice that the only sides to the story you will find on the net are that of Valentino. Probably cuss he needs the publicity. No one has given a direct quote from Angel on his side of the story. Probably Angel doesn't care… That's just my guess. I could be wrong. Maybe people questioned Valentino cuss he was very easy to get in contact with? Maybe he doesn't have to much going on right now? More food for thought…

    Back off topic again slightly. Has anyone else noticed that there are all of these people out there in the world trying to expose Angel's effects. And its odd that a good number of times when you compare their theory's to the Masked Magician exposing them on TV that they are very contradict each other? I realized this a long time ago, I was just waiting for a time like now to bring it up… Funny how that all works out…

    As far as the idea of getting these videos pulled off Youtube. It could happen if the original creators of the effects decided to sue the performer in the video's in the grounds that they dont believe that the performer did not pay for the “Performance Rights”. Yea not a good idea to illegally download magic DVD's online if you decide that you want to perform the effects you see. When you buy the real DVD you pay for the performance rights. You dont get that if you steal the information…

    OK I'm done for now…

  • HAL

    I don't think I've ever stabbed any magician in the back. I've liked magic since I was a kid. I enjoy seeing magicians performing things 'As you see it” even when I know how it's done, as on AGT. Copperfield, Henning, Blackstone, and many more made it before they had the technology Angel has. 20 years ago, Angel would never have one season of Mindfake. The only one I try to expose is Angel. We just have different views. I think he's hurt magicians. Let's be honest here..Could you do these nonsensical stunts he does on Mindfake? How do you consider this anywhere near the art of magic? Do magicians (who are any good) need a fake like this on TV to promote magic? Evidently, there are still people who want to see Val, even as the MM, and people want to know the secrets..I don't think they lost money on the Secrets Revealed episodes.

  • HAL

    I'm curious about videos on youtube and wonder how that works. How can iTricks post videos from AGT right after they air? Do you need permission? Help Justin.

    As far as more Angel tricks being exposed, I think it's obvious that they're much easier to expose..If a dummy like me can..DUH
    As far as the explanations being wrong, many are NOT. They use the actual tape from Mindfake..They don't alter that tape, they just demonstrate what gives it away, as I do. As I've said many times, Angel only fools those not familiar with what he does. It's like a jeweler spotting a phony ring.