Well Crow: You said you were leaving before, then you came back, to respond to this idiot. Now, you're leaving again, boo hoo. With over 150 posts on the other thread, and a record number here, how do you say you're the only one who responds? Maybe you have an ego like Criss. I think Justin is great too, he lets everybody post, even if we don't agree with what were supposed to agree too. You might be better posting on the A&E site. There, everybody who loves Criss is wonderful. They pay $99. for a membership in his fan club. So now, if we ever meet, what will you do, beat me up? Are we threatening each other? I'm childish? You dared me to show where Criss was a fraud, I think I did by your own definition. You have no influence over me, I was doing this long before I read your posts. So, big tough biker dude, who decides who talks trash, have fun with your magic act, and I hope everybody agrees with you. How bout', if you dont mention my name, I wont mention yours. Have a nice day.

You know Hal your an Idiot. You have one sided views, and you refuse to admit to default.

You took the fun out of this site though. You offended me with your views on Angel. So I tried talking to you like an adult. Then you bashed Burton which led me to the belief that you have not one good thing to say about any of us. Then you offended me with your views on Myself for what I believe you think was defending Angel. So I lost it and enjoyed talking down to a little man. Cuss that's all you are is a little man.

Now I look at everything and realize that I am as much to blame on the discomfort that may be felt in these threads as you are. I keep pushing you. I enjoy looking at the stupidity that you show off cuss i had a vendetta against you. Your actions are easily predictable cuss you know nothing of what you talk about. Which is why half the time no one responds to you but me. Not cuss your right. Its cuss they have nothing to prove to you. I now notice neither do I. You were just a great way to pass time.

But for what may be enjoyment for me may not be for others. And I don't like to make good respectable people feel uncomfortable. So now I can either keep this crap going, or I can end it the right way and walk away. That's just what I'm going to do. I know more then anyone that you cant keep this whole crap going forever. And I don't want to influence you to keep going either. So I'm going to quit posting on ITricks. I have nothing but respect and love for Justin R. Young and the rest of the crew. So I feel the best way to respect them is to leave the drama out of their work. So I guess you win Hal, for as long as your posting on this site I wont be. (I will still be an avid reader of the story's. There is no better site to get the low down in the magic community then ITricks)

Just do your self favor Hal if you ever find your self in the same place as me, Don't introduce your self to me. See I'm not like Angel. I wont bring the Trash Talkers on to a show and prove them wrong. I wont try to prove them in any way. I grew up around Bikers, I got into bar's long before I was even 18 and my one of my first jobs was in a Tattoo Shop. So I was raised that if someone talks trash, knock them out. So if you are that much of an Idiot please introduce your self to me. I dare you... ;-)

Peace out folks!
Crow G.

Crow: You are amazing after all. You give me the youtube video of Copperfields House illusion, and claim there are 4 camera tricks used. How does the 'LIVE' audience of hundreds get fooled with camera tricks? What did the cameras do except switch from one to another? There were no time lapses. It was done in real time, by a 'REAL' performer. Check Copperfield on Wikipedia. He has sold more tickets than any performer, not only magic acts. Then, you give the Criss Angel building levitation. Is your vision bad, look at the #$%$#% video. There are so many things wrong with it, you have to be illiterite not to see them. From start to finish, it's so screwed up, it's a pity. The accomplishments of Copperfield over his career make Angel's 'Magician of the Whatever' awards look like toilet paper. His ridiculous SPOV is just that. Of the top 100 magicians, Criss is #99, and the 100th died long ago. For crying out loud, wake up and see the truth. The guy sucks.

Ha, Tim..you busted me. Dayum those magical powers :)

A video? OMG, I can only imagine..lol A saying pops into my head "be careful what you wish for".....maybe I should let you out of that bet....

Shame is, there aren't that many Criss Angel threads. We see Derren and Penn & Teller videos, doing 'as you see them' tricks, all we see of Criss is about bad reviews, or making the top 10, whick has been some time ago. I would love to see Criss tale a 'Legitimate' lie detector test.

thank you i tried saying that they shoule keep criss to his own threads

Brookie and Crow,

Thanks for the nice comments. And... YES..FIF( I know you are reading this) ... I will eventually put up a video..yes.. I said video and not just a photo as promised regards my bet. LOL

Over and out. Hoping to catch you all in a more "on topic" thread. This thread is supposed to be about Jim Callahan's " Applied Thought Technology" don't cha know. ;)

Best,

Tim

Tim you hit it right on the nose thank you

CROW: Look at "YOUR" first definition of FRAUD. " Deception Deliberately practiced to secure unfair gain". I don't think you can say the edits were accidental. These phony tricks secured him millions of dollars. The deception being, claiming you were seeing them as they were done, which just about everybody here, including "YOU" admits they weren't. How many times has he claimed he doesn't use edits or effects. Isn't that 'Deliberate decption'. Now that you've all admitted that he uses these special effects, consider, at the end of every movie or TV show, there is a disclaimer, something like, "Portions of this show, have been edited or re-created (Seen in credits of quiz shows, etc.) In movies, people who do special effects are losted by name in the "Credits". Have you ever seen this on Mindfake? Only consultants, who dont edit or composite video tape. He's a FRAUD in every sense. How many products in commercials have had to take ads off TV for making 'UNTRUE' claims? You're all admitting that he makes untrue claims. Why is he different, because he claims to do magic.

Timothy: I certainly can't deny he's popular. But, isn't claiming he can read muscles for his knife under the cups the same as Geller's spoons. I guess the other magicians who do that trick can read muscles too. I seem to remember him doing a Seance, where he contacted the spirit of a dead little girl nameed 'Mary'. Then he condemned Callihan for the same thing. All the nonsense about his father's death having something to do with a psychic act. He even steals Houdini's act. He did the show exposing psychic card reading, Randi did the exact thing years ago. "Designed and Created by Criss Angel" at the beginning of Mindfake was a total joke. He's a loony tune as well as a fake. He thinks the world revolves around him. You're right about others can't do what he does on TV, but I think that hurts others. Geller and Angel have to be related somehow. Is it fair to use camera tricks, and pass them off as Magic, I'm sure you can guess my answer. Is this any different than the old quiz shows that were rigged? That was entertainment.

All fun aside...

fraud (frôd)
n.
1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
2. A piece of trickery; a trick.
3. a. One that defrauds; a cheat.
b. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor.

I don't defend Angel. I don't like the guy. I just really enjoy debating against stupidity. I gave you definition for the word Fraud, and I don't see where you get off calming that Angel is a fraud. But no other magician is? And every time I ask you you have no response! (You only try to attack my spelling which I have explained to you in past many times. But yet you feel like your attacking me just like a child in high school. By the way I stopped treating you like an adult when you stopped acting like one...) So your argument is futile. But you have yet to explain in detail your view on why Angel is a Fraud. You cant just go out and say... ANGEL IS A FRAUD! With out having logical explanation for why. Its as if I were to say Tom Cruse is Gay! Is he? How do I know? Have I seen him with a guy? No! So how can I make a claim like that?

This is why I call you an Idiot! Cuss your logic is pathetic. Your saying "Angel Does Camera Tricks". Duh! Tim is right I agree he uses camera tricks. I told you Directly in the past that Angel Uses camera tricks, so does Copperfield, Henning, Brown, Blackstone and every other magician that appears on TV. Like I say your view of camera tricks is far different then mine. The true definition of Camera Tricks in magic lingo is Forced Perception! So what makes Angel so different? So what unfair or unlawful gain has Angel gained from what he does? Use the definition above and please give me and everyone with in the terms of that definition a logical reason why he is a fraud. I dare you!

Damn Good Words Tim!

Thanks JustinR for the nice comment.

HAL... to answer your question... Randi busted Uri because he didn't claim to be a magician. He claimed to have real powers. Criss doesn't claim to be supernatural. He admits he uses tricks.. He just doesn't admit the camera tricks. LOL

As for why other magicians support this??? Well.. its most likely a bit of several things. Criss is popular. Love him or hate him you have to admit he's popular. Critics are savaging his show, it is rated VERY low in reviews every single person/magician I know personally who has seen it says it is the worst thing ever...YET people flock to it because its Criss Angel. That makes him worthy of being called " Popular"

Magicians don't want to be the ones to rain on the parade against a popular magician ( fake or real.. popular is more important) . Currently there is NO benefit in exposing him. If there ever is someone will... and THAT answers your other question about The Masked Magician. He exposed that stuff NOT because he cares about magic, NOT because they were easy to produce but because those tricks are the POPULAR ones that has everyone buzzing and more people would tune in to see how CA levitated than they would to see how a trick box worked.

If it makes you feel any better I can tell you that many high name magicians think this type of " camera magic" is a bad thing for magic in the long run. When it IS exposed nobody will trust any magic performance on TV for a looooonnnng time... and maybe that is another reason that magicians don't want to rush to fast on to the " lets expose Criss Angel" bandwagon.

Elvis Presley couldn't play the guitar for MANY years in his career yet he often strummed it on tv appearances and made it look like he was playing. Years later he learned how to play the guitar and admitted he had " fooled em" for so long. None of his fans seemed to care and I doubt that none of Criss's will either.

Best,

Tim

Well said, Tim.

CROW: The word is through, that's T H R O U G H. In your first paragraph, you spell it as I posted. In your second paragraph, you go back to 'THREW' saying the same thing. No wonder you can't read past 3 lines. I don't talk to you. You went away for a while, then returned to answer something I posted. I don't care if you care, its obvious you don't care about the truth, so please go back to your street magic fans and amaze them.
TIMOTHYDRAKE: I think your post was the most sensible in quite a while. For people like FIF, your statement is correct. She couldn't care less if Criss confessed he's a fraud. But, believe it or not, I have shown some loyal fans what he is. One is going back to Vegas in 3 weeks. She saw beLIEve, and says she wouldn't go again if they paid her. I've shown her and others how Criss does his "Demonstrations". Not all his fans, or former fans are air heads.
Timothy: Why do I do this? How many years did Randi spend debunking Uri Geller? He was entertaining his fans also, with his mind spoon bendind and starting watches, and all his other crap. Randi exposed him and the phony psychics to everybody, not just magicians. I don't have the resourses Randi does, but I think all these con artists should be exposed to everybody, Angel certainly included. Many people must want to know, the Masked Magician was a high rated show twice, 10 years ago and recently. Why did he pick on so many Criss Angel tricks, maybe because they were so easy to re-create. He didn't do the Statue of Liberty, or 'Flying', he did the Building Levitation, Wood Chipper, Hummer, Elephant Appearing, Walking on water, etc. The bad tricks of Criss, that didn't take much brains to figure out. I'm glad to see you admit that Criss is a video magician, I still can't understand, if as you say, magicians all know this, how can anybody in magic support this fraud, please give me a hint.

At the risk of getting dragged into this further I can't help but toss my 2 cents in.

HAL.... You are correct when you talk of Criss's camera tricks. Every magician in the business knows this. Crow knows this. I know this. Paul Daniels knows this and so does anyone who ever performed magic ( over the age of 17) . There is no debate in the magic community about if Angel uses camera stuff. NONE! We all know he does. There is debate however if it fair or not and that is a different topic.

If me saying this upsets Criss's fans well I can only say.. Sorry but this IS a magic forum and I am not posting this in Criss fan forums. I will not apologize for discussing issues of magic in a magic forum. ( where it belongs)

Your problem as I see it is that you are trying to preach to the wrong people. Fans of Criss like the whole package. The man, the bling , the magic, the look..etc. If they discover the truth about the camera tricks much later they will just smile and say..." Oh well..... I had a lot of fun believing and being entertained". For now you are just seen as raining on their parade and they won't want to hear it. It really is a waste of time. CA fans will not believe you so why bother trying to convince them? Let them have their fun.

Best,

Tim

"And last, but not least, you say I don't know what I'm talking about, but can you deny, the threads where I bash the great Angel, have MANY MANY MANY more comments than any others. Maybe I'm getting through to somebody?"

Doesn't seam like your getting threw to someone when the reasoning behind your long threads is that everyone is bashing you.

Please learn how to make multiple paragraphs, like I say that was so hard to read...

http://itricks.com/news/2009/02/gory-horror-flick-features-magician/

Wait whats that? You asked for my name on Itricks? Oh it's my name on Itricks.com... So... Yea... That felt like a nice little b**ch slap Hal... How did you like it?

Hal you talk to me like I care what your saying! What the hell are you even saying you idiot? Every time you try to defend your self you get jumbled and your writings become a pointless rant. I cant read past your first 3 sentences every time you say something. Take a deep breath, Relax, if you weren't so hot headed maybe you would have meaning behind your writings and I would actually sit and read what you have to say...

I do know this ,that Criss Angel was challenged by a Magician I know who is on his way to fame and Criss Angel deleted all of his posting's ,had youtube remove his video's and also Criss refused to because this guy threatened to expose him for being a fake a lieing that he does 100% real magicc and no video editing.
I don't know ,but I still respect Criss but it's funny how he would back down from a magic challenge.
Anyway how I see it,if Criss is really in the wrong then Karma will effect him and eventually his fame will soon dissappear.
I still though say he's still a colleague of all magician's and the community and should be respected.He's earned that.
You just don't go poof and you have skill,it takes years of practice to get there.

Yo FIF, It was Bonnie Tyler who did that song. You remember Bonnie 'I'm holding on for a hero' Tyler? LOL. Criss had to alter her voice because David Copperfield bought the exclusive rights, copyrights, trademarks, patents, hair dye etc.. on her singing on another magicians trick. I think he's now working on trying to pass a bill not allowing any blonde woman to assist any magician in any trick unless it's with David only.

Btw Hal, how low can you go? death threats on the internet are still death threats. "Ten million dollars or we'll really put him in a woodchipper". Maybe you should apologize...

I think you should check your facts Crow: Valentino had the first "Secrets of Magic Revealed" show about 10 years ago, long before Criss Angel was a twinkle in the eyes of these gullible Loyals. He revealed secrets of old standard tricks, by all magicians, Criss wasn't even included. In the later version in the past year or so, they did many of Criss tricks, but many of us already knew how Criss did them. Criss doesn't do anything new, he simply changes the trick a little, and claims it's his. Why was he being sued over the van escape? He did the bike vanish on the recent Mindfake. Look on youtube, you'll see 10 magicians doing the same thing. I saw Copperfield do it many years ago live. And Crow, you really think I was going to jump in a wood chipper, maybe street magicians have no sense of humor? You say my name will never be known, I don't see your name anywhere but here on iTricks. Is your name really Crow? And again, my grammar isn't perfect, but please see the difference between 'through and threw'. Threw, is like "I threw the tomato at Criss during beLIEve. And Justin, "SOME" video editng?????? How many Mindfake shows do you think he could do if he really had to do 'as you see' tricks. He proved that with beLIEve, starting out with 5 illusions, and the 'Implosion' joke. I get hysterical when Criss does things like the toothpick vanish, and then lets us in on the amazing secret, right after the commercials....The suspense was killing me. This is for his 6 year old loyals who repeated first grade. Guessing the crayon color was another great feat. I hope the tricks in his $74. magic kit are at least for teenagers, and the rubber bands included. And last, but not least, you say I don't know what I'm talking about, but can you deny, the threads where I bash the great Angel, have MANY MANY MANY more comments than any others. Maybe I'm getting through to somebody?

Thanks. Just don't let the Kings horses try to put you back together again... They only have hooves, those don't come in handy when trying to put something back together...

Crow you crack me up

We have all been trying to get that threw Hal's head for the past couple months JustinSkye. Hes just got some major vendetta against him so no one can get him to shut up. I got close once. He said he was going to jump into a wood chipper cuss his wife just found out he was gay or something along those lines. But couple days later he was back to his pointless rants like nothing ever happened. So now i just like to knock on him cuss he reminds me of a video game at a cheep diner. He's pointless but so easy to beat... ;-)

Thanks Timothy! I accept this award on behalf of all the people that have sick, weird, demented visuals. Keep the imagination alive people!

I don't see what all the fuss over Criss is about,sure Angel uses some video editing and uses confederates but I respect Criss Angel.He creates a lot of effects which are truely amazing and he is probaly one of the only Bizzaro styled magician's I have seen on tv.

Crow.... YOU win the comeback of the year award! I tip my hat to you. Well done! LOL

Hal diss Criss all you want, cause really I couldn't give a rats. Trying to convice you that Criss is good is like nailing jello to a tree, useless and dissappointing. But, how dare you diss a great poet like Langston Hughes...rap is a disgrace to the music industry and ,therefor, does not for any reason belong in a comparison sentance with any of his poems.

Hal is exposing Criss Angel? Hal wants to be on CNN to tell the world that Criss Angel is a Magacian? Hal wants to be the one to say that Angel is a fraud...

Sounds to me like Hal just wants to be famous being another Valentino. Dude what you want to do is nothing original. There are millions of books out there that expose Angel and all other Magicians. No one cares about what you think or say about Angel. The world will never know your name dude. Your just a copy cat, Valentino had a TV show exposing Angel. No one cared to watch it which is why its getting canceled. So what are you doing that's original? you want to tell the world that hes a Magician and he does Magic Trick's and that he doesn't have Magical Powers? Doesn't he say that for him self?

So by the way it looks your just trying to get attention off of an unoriginal idea while making an ass out of your self...

Damn knocking you down is so entertaining when I have nothing to do... ;-)

Ewww that means you had to picture that to say it Timothy... Gross! lol

O'h Brookie: For people who can reason, I'm not making an ass out of myself. Try looking at the evidence for once. Joe (the producer on Mindfake) says Criss doesn't use camera tricks. When I asked him what tricks he worked on, he said he can't disclose that. Now, for example, If I wrote a hit song, wouldn't I be proud to claim I did, or a book, found a cure for a disease, etc. Why can't you claim credit for something that is, as he says 'real'? As the magician on the youtube video said, "Everybody knows they're camera tricks". As FOX News said about the Implosion joke, "It's the magic of television". Anybody with half of a brain knows what he is. (Except, of course, his Loyal fans who believe anything he says). I go to Twitter to alter those stupid pictures he puts on. Me and Crow get a room together???? I don't think I could take the amazement from all the card tricks.
Seven pages about a poem, maybe we can turn it into a RAP song? And poor Criss, again not on the top 10, boo hoo. Maybe he should fake a kidnapping to get the attention he needs to keep his career going? Ten million dollars, or we'll really put him in a wood chipper.

Hal you're not exposing Criss persay, you're just making an ass of yourself. Going to his twitter just to make fun of him proves it. Now if you'll excuse me I have to go and do something productive with my time and write a 7 page paper over a peom by Langston Hughs for my history class.

I'm thinking Crow and HAL should get a room. Anybody with me? LOL

WAIT Hold on a moment! Did you try saying that Criss Angel is my Idol? Apparently you cant read, or your old age is getting to you an your memory. I remember telling you and everyone I don't like the guy. I just enjoy knocking you down cuss your an easy target and you offended me on your bias opinion about me. Damn dude know what your talking about before you speak or type.

Wifi gramps get with the time. Thanks for keeping up with my schedule by the way...

Oh and what ever happens to that Wood Chipper Idea of yours? Always a disappointment you are..

My fav. four cards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDkEXBsLyhM

One of my fav. clips. Walk on Lake Mead. Empowering, crazy, sexy...makes you think what magic is all about. Belief in the impossible...if only for a moment. Our escape.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C5tS3N0STs

I'm dying to know who did that song. All I can hear is "I cant hear, yay, yay". Would really like to have that in my ears. Does anyone know who does that song?

And yes, Criss, your art connects.

I was just answering you Crow, about the 'Man Crush'. BTW, how do you manage to post here when your'e on the road all the time with your act?
And Brookie, I will expose Criss Angel anywhere I can. Callihan & Mr. Sackoftacos were on TV together, so why not discuss him here. Whatever thread Criss turns up on, he's just as phony. Haven't seen any articles on iTricks about El Fako recently, guess he's not doing anything fantastic lately. Hasn't been on top 10 in over a month. He had an extreme close-up of his lips on Twitter, that really turned me on. He certainly isn't photographer of the year.

Can't you guys keep the Criss stuff to his threads?

... What? Could you write something that actually has a meaning please? You lost me when you decided to go off subject and ask me about watching some video...

Gee Crow, you sure get excited when somebody talks bad about Criss. Did you see the video where the magician gives his opinion about your idol? He pretty much agrees with me. You claim you're a magician, and yet you support this piece of crap. To get an erection over Criss, I'd need Viagara, Cialis, and Elton John's genitals. I can't understand women getting excited over him. I can't judge womens feelings, but there are certainly plenty of men in showbiz bettter looking than 'Mr. Potato Nose' (As one of my e-mail friends call him). If he was standing on a corner, especially with that Fidel Castro beard, I'd probably slip him a few bucks. And talk about gay, handcuffs hanging in your crotch, nail polish, the Jennifer Aniston hairdo, elevator shoes, Mommy's boy, wouldn't admit he was married, he should be singing 'Tutti Frutti instead of 'I am the Mindfake'. Truth is, the more people I can show what a fake he is, the happier I get. I like magic, and he doesn't fit the category. And you Crow, are just like the women, you defend him, but not his magic (which isn't really magic). I see he didn't make the top 10 again. People do eventually come to their senses.

Jesus Christ! Hal are you still going on with your "Man Crush" on Angel? Damn dude for as much as you try to say that you dislike him. I think he gives you an erection for as much as you think about him...

Maybe because Jim is not as emotionally charged as he let on in Phenom. And, he is a better person then you led yourself to believe.

Hey Jim: Why didn't you beat the crap out of Criss when you had the chance? Can you get me on Larry King to expose his phony video magic?

Glad Y'all enjoyed the clip and hope you have fun with it.

Happy Halloween & Best Wishes,

Jim

I don't get why my comment didn't get posted. I said that I usually don't fall for interactive tricks, but this one really fooled me!

I don't get it.

I'm usually not fooled by interactive effects, but this actually had me fooled for quite a while! I just kept getting that image in my mind. Very cool!

BTW- How does he get the liquid to stay in the glass like that?

One of the most amazing effects I have seen in a long time. Truly a fine work from Jim.
One piece of advise to those who will take the test- it works best with the volume turned up a bit...