Sure, Penn Jillette’s vlog Penn Says lets him say anything he darn well pleases but rarely does the larger, louder half of P&T lapse into magic geekery. Which makes this clip all the more special as Penn lists the greatest thinkers in our art, past and present.

This all comes as he’s plugging the James Randi Educational Foundation’s Amazing Meeting this July in Las Vegas when Banacheck will be on hand to test a “psychic” who is contending for the famous Million Dollar Challenge… live on stage.